Dhammarato sa

This is ordinary western way to put up with the disease. This is not the cure for depression. Changing depressing thoughts one at a time, this one. That’s the noble cure. Whenever there is a video on yt as selling yet another cure is a high price for a placebo. The cure is always cheap and easy, but folks are not willing to take the repetitive cure, they want the Easy way out: a pill or a Dr or a JC to do the job for them. It’s better to post videos from monks who might knows the cure and give a miss to psychologist or lay Buddhist and charlatans that clog the web.
8:30 PM
Depression does not exist, it is a concept, a clinical concept. The reality is unwholesome thoughts are the issue. Drs using words like “depression” , at best only give the temporary hope “at least I know what’s wrong with me”. But labels and concepts can only give temporary relief, not a cure. Only the right noble practice of changing the thought process is a cure. No Dr can cure you no matter how much you pay m. Only you can cure yourself by changing you mind one thought at a time, starting with THIS ONE.

The point is that the mind can change with right noble consistent effort, depression is nothing more than depressing thoughts. It’s inside the mind not out there in society.
8:37 AM
The point of managing the spiritual disease is not to just feel better it is a full cure. One must practice continuously to remove unwholesome thoughts untill they don’t come up anymore.
9:08 AM
yes, the point is consistent practice of removing unwholesome though, when ever they come. the more you practice the better skilled you get at seeing them and stopping them, for a while as the skill grows, one can see better and it looks like so many , that’s because we see better. and as the skills grow more, the unwholesome thoughts become less frequent, but one must still practice and soon all those unwholesome thoughts are replaced before they are full formed. ,

when someone is hungry that is not depression, when no food, that is not depression, it is just hunger. Go find food happily. enjoy it all the more due to hunger.
when you say depressed that misses the point, that means a personality trait, but personalities and not fixed they move around because of many influences. (hunger is not depression) One can change personality by changing thoughts, so there is no such person who is depressed only folks who have unwholesome depressing thoughts, while he/she is watching a movie completely absorbed in the move, no depressive unwholesome thoughts, only laughter at funny movie then and there that one is not depressed, only when the mind moves from movie to “poor me, I have no food” does depression set in. But depression does not set in, its just unwholesome depressive thought fill the mind.

when someone is hungry that is not depression, when no food, that is not depression, it is just hunger. Go find food happily. enjoy it all the more due to hunger.
when you say depressed that misses the point, that means a personality trait, but personalities and not fixed they move around because of many influences. (hunger is not depression) One can change personality by changing thoughts, so there is no such person who is depressed only folks who have unwholesome depressing thoughts, while he/she is watching a movie completely absorbed in the move, no depressive unwholesome thoughts, only laughter at funny movie then and there that one is not depressed, only when the mind moves from movie to “poor me, I have no food” does depression set in. But depression does not set in, its just unwholesome depressive thought fill the mind.

this is a common issue in the west. Many times it is heard “I have wholesome thoughts but they don’t work because I don’t believe them.” That is not because of the wholesome thoughts are not true, but the student fails to see the thoughts right after the wholesome thoughts. The “I don’t believe it” is the new unwholesome thought that is not seen. They see wholesome thought as new, from the outside and not my thought, not me. Then the next thought “I don’t believe it” is old familiar seen as coming from the inside, it’s my thought, it is me the real me. But both the wholesome and the unwholesome thoughts are not me not mine, they are just thoughts. The student needs to be watchful as to what thoughts are seen as me, my thoughts, for they are the most unwholesome and often follow the wholesome thoughts.

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